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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-5-30 07:40:42 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
lordzxd 发表于 2017-5-30 01:03
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  K K

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, Hero ...

v的minr otf我确实看不太懂,非常奇怪的move, 看不出有什么必要在这里极化,hero也没有理由去3bet KK所以我准备call down。

Turn是一张完全的brick,双方range都不需要这张牌, v check,我基本上认为是领先的。 AA和QQ可以排除。

River 不太可能提升v的牌,更不可能提升hero的牌力,所以我选择showdown似乎更为合理。value不到诈唬的牌。

preflop 有利位置一般3bet到9BB,考虑筹码比较深我加到11.5bb,没位置的话会再大一点。

otf,单挑的话我觉得在这个flop check back也是很好的打法,3way的话倾向于下注,至少打走一个。     sizing来看,1/3在多人底池太小了,而q66不太可能伤害到KK,我选择比较折中的1/2。    如果v只是check call,hero可以很舒服地在turn上继续2/3。到河牌还有略少于一个底池的筹码,可以很容易地决定3barrel还是showdown。


这手牌可以从V得到很多有用的信息,比如他是那种相信bet for info的人,再比如他在前面街过多诈唬意味着河牌他的诈唬过少, 还有比如他的pre 3bet range 会很有意思,可能绝大多数是对子,说不定66-77也在。  


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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-5-30 22:17:59 | 显示全部楼层
lordzxd 发表于 2017-5-30 16:27
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  K K

fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold,  ...

应该想-想拿的是broken nut flush draw的时候这里怎么打。 KK raise到多少就应该很清晰了。 所以这里每个人都应该清楚自己的BLUFF RANGE,然后决定RAISE的尺寸。   
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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-5-30 23:43:21 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 傻傻的鱼 于 2017-5-30 23:51 编辑

今天无意中去想一个问题,为什么NL100的牌手,打不过NL500。       两者有太多相似之处,几乎都差不多的raise fist in/3bet/cold call 2bet/, AF. 差不多的cbet otf/t/r frequency.  差不多的showdown %, wsd%, 可以想到的绝大部分数据几乎都很接近。但是NL100的就是打不过NL500,为什么?

唯一想到的答案就是“平衡”。  当渐渐开始理解平衡的含义时,我希望平衡不再是一个干巴巴的广义的名词,而更像是一幅干净的画, 当任何不应该存在这幅画上的东西混进来时,能够很快发现,不管这东西是v混进去的,还是hero自己混进去的, 发现并加以利用,我想这是“平衡”在实战中的意义。

NL100的牌手,作为一个整体(也就是说存在于绝大多数人身上,包括hero自己),有太多的不平衡。我单列出hero发现的部分。

1:pre/flop over aggro,但在T or R under bluff.  
有一些人痴迷于红线的所谓剥削式打法。 很频繁地3bet/4bet sqz;  xr/3bet flop.   多数人在对抗这类牌手的时候要么过怂,要么过激,使得这类打法可以一直存在下去。     但是他们难以长期维持4条街的高压频率,否则很快破产。   由此产生天然漏洞是无法弥补的,也就是说这类打法系统的本身尽管是有瑕疵的,但是系统本身会去平衡自身(否则无法盈利),也就是前面街的over bluff会导致后面街的under bluff.


在NL100,这类牌手的比例可能超过半数。


看具体牌例:

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 131 BB (VPIP: 29.46, PFR: 20.16, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 132)
Hero (SB): 114.66 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.65, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 118)
UTG: 108.21 BB (VPIP: 23.85, PFR: 22.31, 3Bet Preflop: 15.22, Hands: 135)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.96, PFR: 21.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.19, Hands: 1,094)
CO: 119.12 BB (VPIP: 22.68, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 101)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.29 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.71 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players)  7 7 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 10.15 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, fold

Hero wins 37.34 BB


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 321.05 BB (VPIP: 20.42, PFR: 16.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.59, Hands: 1,278)
SB: 207.25 BB (VPIP: 23.80, PFR: 19.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.54, Hands: 1,039)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
UTG: 141.7 BB (VPIP: 6.76, PFR: 6.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
MP: 159.3 BB (VPIP: 20.81, PFR: 16.74, 3Bet Preflop: 8.98, Hands: 677)
Hero (CO): 105.09 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  Q Q

fold, MP raises to 2.57 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6.43 BB

Flop: (28.5 BB, 3 players)  2 3 5
MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 15.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 96.09 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 57 BB


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 69.87 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 151.42 BB (VPIP: 25.85, PFR: 21.39, 3Bet Preflop: 11.32, Hands: 1,149)
UTG: 125.14 BB (VPIP: 20.31, PFR: 16.01, 3Bet Preflop: 5.61, Hands: 1,309)
MP: 251.31 BB (VPIP: 23.61, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 8.45, Hands: 1,048)
CO: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 22.78, PFR: 19.53, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 344)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  Q 2

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 12.5 BB, fold

Flop: (36 BB, 2 players)  2 3 5
Hero checks, CO bets 17 BB, Hero raises to 85 BB and is all-in, CO calls 66.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (203 BB, 2 players)  Q

River: (203 BB, 2 players)  6

Hero shows  Q 2  (Two Pair, Queens and Twos)
(Pre 57%, Flop 81%, Turn 100%)
CO shows  9 J  (High Card, Queen)
(Pre 43%, Flop 19%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 200.5 BB



这三手几乎是一模一样的场景,  都是不适合cbet的flop,  这个级别95%都是可以看懂牌面的, 知道hero大半时候都不会有任何击中, 往往这个时候容易忽略自己的range从而去做出不合适宜的动作打破自身的平衡。  比如J9s这位,他也许会认为下注是semi bluff, 实际上顶多算是quarter bluff.   

>> 这类牌手,多数会利用牌面去攻击对手,同时会忽略自己的后路。
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PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 131.65 BB (VPIP: 23.01, PFR: 19.91, 3Bet Preflop: 7.23, Hands: 232)
SB: 143.56 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 25.20, PFR: 19.11, 3Bet Preflop: 7.25, Hands: 499)
UTG: 113.02 BB (VPIP: 27.89, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 3.88, Hands: 257)
MP: 43.29 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 60)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J A

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 14.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 12 BB

Flop: (34.5 BB, 2 players)  4 3 8
BB bets 11.47 BB, Hero calls 11.47 BB

Turn: (57.44 BB, 2 players)  6
BB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, fold

Hero wins 54.94 BB


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 123.74 BB
SB: 153.93 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BB: 131.57 BB (VPIP: 20.79, PFR: 16.98, 3Bet Preflop: 10.09, Hands: 805)
UTG: 157.74 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 46)
CO: 197.3 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  Q T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players)  7 2 J
BB checks, Hero bets 2.61 BB, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5.39 BB

Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players)  2
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (21.5 BB, 2 players)  4
BB checks, Hero bets 11 BB, fold

Hero wins 20.42 BB





PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 41.12 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (SB): 141.89 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 22.89, 3Bet Preflop: 8.96, Hands: 558)
UTG: 109.34 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 19.24, 3Bet Preflop: 7.46, Hands: 480)
MP: 271.46 BB (VPIP: 20.22, PFR: 15.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.58, Hands: 1,325)
CO: 104.75 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 80)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 8 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 2 players)  3 6 9
Hero checks, BB bets 7.5 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, fold

Hero wins 29.45 BB




>> 这类稍有不同, 利用range优势无视牌面在前两条街保持激进, 然后在后面放弃。   
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2:和第一类相反, 有一部分比较弱的牌手在pre/flop打得太弱,而在Turn/River 太多诈唬。   这类人多数是从CS进化来的,保留着不愿弃掉边缘牌又不敢主动用这些牌建立一个大底池的习性,然后在河牌发现处于一个不得不bluff的情况。

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 654.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.08, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.63, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 139.41 BB (VPIP: 23.95, PFR: 18.95, 3Bet Preflop: 8.54, Hands: 998)
CO: 64.09 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  A T

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players)  5 6 T
BB checks, Hero bets 3.09 BB, BB calls 3.09 BB

Turn: (12.68 BB, 2 players)  J
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (12.68 BB, 2 players)  2
BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

BB shows  8 6  (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 36%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows  A T  (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 64%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
Hero wins 23.45 BB


>>这类人占的比例不算多,也不少, 他们痴迷于各种后门垃圾击中value到对手的快感中,却忽略了因此输掉的无数POT. 这类牌手基本上是没有前途的。

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 101.5 BB
SB: 102.43 BB
BB: 201.75 BB (VPIP: 25.20, PFR: 18.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.74, Hands: 908)
UTG: 123.42 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 122.78 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 12)
CO: 117.63 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  K J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players)  5 4 J
SB checks, Hero bets 1.71 BB, SB calls 1.71 BB

Turn: (9.42 BB, 2 players)  9
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

River: (19.42 BB, 2 players)  2
SB bets 18.45 BB, Hero calls 18.45 BB

SB shows  4 3  (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 40%, Flop 27%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows  K J  (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 60%, Flop 73%, Turn 89%)
Hero wins 53.82 BB


>>这类属于进化过快的CS,也许懂了一点点blocker的运用, 然后觉得对手都会臣服在他脚下。 想起了城里有人讲的那个奥马哈笑话“有个加注按钮,一直点一直点,对手就全FOLD了”,这个属于现实版。


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以上是显而易见的不平衡, 还有一些是属于比较好的regs的不平衡, 这个说起来就没完了,我也不是很能讲得清楚。 不知不觉又是一长贴,就此打住。



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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-5-31 15:46:30 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
lordzxd 发表于 2017-5-31 14:01
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J A

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, Hero ...

V的系统决定了turn上不可能有check-allin的动作,属于system error.  也可称为permanent deviation,肯定受剥削的
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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-5-31 16:54:23 | 显示全部楼层
lordzxd 发表于 2017-5-31 14:01
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J A

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, Hero ...

所有33-TT的对子, 57cc 56cc A5cc, 78dd A8dd, 等等,hero 可以这么打的牌太多了。  
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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-6-1 01:37:13 | 显示全部楼层
六月的第一个凌晨, 总结一下五月。

今天是本月运气最差的一天, run得难以置信地差,亏损王是KK,6次翻前全进,3次VS AA,2次VSQQ,1次VSTT 一次都没赢。  亏损一度达到800刀,幸运的是没有情绪失控,稳扎稳打,输300刀收官。今天这个SESSION之前亏损约为800刀, 也就是本月的亏损是1100多刀。  


别人都晒羸钱,我晒输钱略尴尬。  扑克就是这样,升级NL25的第一个月打得狗屎一样却赢了1000多刀。 而NL100的第一个月打得前所未有的好,最后却输钱结束。

33000手牌5.57bb/100手的EV偏离, 过去也很少见这样猛烈的下风。  还不知道要持续多久, 当然下风也不全是坏事, 每次渡劫后才能飞升,小说里都是这么写的。   

本月表现算是A-, 自己非常满意。

六月争取打出A+。


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 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-6-1 16:33:52 | 显示全部楼层
“其实我是一个演员”

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 197.43 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 55.03 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 151.35 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 169.65 BB (VPIP: 17.33, PFR: 12.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 76)
MP: 107.95 BB (VPIP: 24.17, PFR: 20.04, 3Bet Preflop: 11.27, Hands: 521)
Hero (CO): 176.39 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  A K

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 7 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players)  K A 4
UTG checks, Hero bets 9.26 BB, UTG calls 9.26 BB

Turn: (38.02 BB, 2 players)  K
UTG bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (72.02 BB, 2 players)  Q
UTG bets 97 BB, Hero raises to 141.13 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 263.52 BB


V是一个实力派演员,强力扮演我持有的牌。   河牌设置了一个精巧的小高潮“你看我故意留点后手,是在VALUE你呀,懂吗”  
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这两天输了一堆真钱,赢了好多EV。 不得已之下,在有些SPOT我选择主动偏离,加入一点Leveling的东西。 以下两手牌我并不喜欢,但有时it works.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.63, PFR: 21.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.14, Hands: 558)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.99, PFR: 13.08, 3Bet Preflop: 4.40, Hands: 242)
Hero (BB): 141.41 BB
UTG: 123.48 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 20)
MP: 190.69 BB (VPIP: 28.08, PFR: 21.26, 3Bet Preflop: 11.41, Hands: 393)
CO: 102.44 BB (VPIP: 27.61, PFR: 20.86, 3Bet Preflop: 16.90, Hands: 164)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  T T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN raises to 22.87 BB, Hero calls 13.87 BB

Flop: (46.24 BB, 2 players)  5 6 J
Hero checks, BTN bets 24.16 BB, Hero calls 24.16 BB

Turn: (94.56 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (94.56 BB, 2 players)  A
Hero bets 94.38 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 52.97 BB and is all-in

Hero shows  T T  (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 77%, Turn 91%)
BTN shows  A K  (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 43%, Flop 23%, Turn 9%)
Hero wins 198 BB

V是一个reg, 应该是盈利的。    他的ID:epicfoldguy.一看ID就知道这不是个轻易弃牌的主。    V对我应该也已经有了一些了解,我们双方平常很少engage.    前面两街很正常。Turn,check check.  这里我知道他没有OVERPAIR了,多数时候是AX,他也知道我没有FLUSH.   River单张成花,     我tank很久这里应该怎么处理。  KhAx,QhAx占了V range里大概1/4,JAM的话有很大风险.     如果Check,大概率可以showdown 我不认为他会在这个SPOT诈唬我。因此似乎check 更合理。     然而根据目前的SPR, 以及我的形象, 也许V会overcall any Ax.


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120.26 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 62.49 BB (VPIP: 23.28, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 119)
BB: 112.81 BB (VPIP: 27.70, PFR: 22.66, 3Bet Preflop: 10.05, Hands: 566)
Hero (UTG): 199.62 BB
MP: 206.83 BB (VPIP: 36.00, PFR: 28.67, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 155)
CO: 96 BB (VPIP: 29.67, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 95)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  6 4

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 10.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players)  4 9 6
BB checks, Hero bets 189.12 BB and is all-in, BB calls 102.31 BB and is all-in

Turn: (226.12 BB, 2 players)  7

River: (226.12 BB, 2 players)  3
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (226.12 BB, 2 players)  J

River #2: (226.12 BB, 2 players)  Q

BB shows  A A  (One Pair, Aces)
Board #1 (Pre 79%, Flop 27%, Turn 26%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 80%, Flop 27%, Turn 26%)

Hero shows  6 4  (Two Pair, Sixes and Fours)
Board #1 (Pre 21%, Flop 73%, Turn 74%)
(Two Pair, Sixes and Fours)
Board #2 (Pre 20%, Flop 73%, Turn 74%)

Hero wins 111.81 BB
Hero wins 111.81 BB

OTF V check,基本可以排除带Ad的AA/AK的组合。 我想要在这里全进,怎么才能让V跟注。 “hero会在这里全进天花吗?”   基本就是reversed thinking,hero当然不会全进天花, 那么hero一定在诈唬或半诈唬.


V tank 到读秒。




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以上3手牌我都不怎么喜欢。 我喜欢下面这两手深筹码的较量。唉, 算了,不发牌谱, 虽然两手都赢,事实上还是有点overbluff了。  我自己其实也不是很喜欢。  


今天没有打出特别好的牌,也没有打出特别不好的牌,六月的第一天平稳开始, 是个好兆头。







58#
 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-6-1 16:36:09 | 显示全部楼层
keybattle 发表于 2017-6-1 02:21
当你不知道BB3b/b/cf的range的时候, 你很难说对手打得差, 有些range打这条line是很ok的

如果你3b, b,  ...

是的, 如果V的range合理的话,  Hero在FLOP的float是绝对-EV的。  对付任何平衡得好的对手,float多数时候都不是一个好主意。
59#
 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-6-2 10:59:53 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
keybattle 发表于 2017-6-1 20:26
TT BB vs BTN 4b 100bb 可以5B jam

昨晚想了一下,TT+5bet的话貌似可能会影响A5,KTs这些牌 5betbluff的EV,不太好平衡。
60#
 楼主| 傻傻的鱼 发表于 2017-6-2 16:26:44 | 显示全部楼层
下午1500手, 又是过山车, 前40分钟down 750BB,其中3分钟连输400BB,连续拿到强牌,不幸都输了。 强行BLUFF又不幸撞到同胞的坚果上。

最近在看will tipton的书,里面的内容实际上都被Y总的帖子总结出来了(比原书内容好), 但是里面对于BLUFF的阐述我觉得非常有道理。

我关于bluff的认识过程大概是这么几个步骤:
1:好玩
2:开不了牌,怎么办
3:要打得凶
4:平衡VALUE
5:就是书里写的, Bluff可以平衡value,Bluff同时也是为了实现每手牌的最大价值。

4和5最大的区别,在于bluff本身到底赚不赚钱,如果以前bluff总体略-EV的话,那么以后bluff做到至少不亏钱,就相当重要了,也不容易。

我的MONEY FLOW TOP10 表中,输给他最多的一个人叫princes chu, 337刀。 一次170BB的诈唬,一次130BB的诈唬,两次他都以JX顶对弱踢跟注。  在这两手牌结果他击败了我,但我不认为我在这两手牌中输钱了,因为Vcall得很无理,或许是对我有特殊阅读,或许只是比较CS,今天再见到这个ID,开两桌已经不能自动补满筹码了,而我还在这个级别生存得好好的,所以online首先得讲牌理,想靠阅读打赢online是不可能的。


今天我的3Bet数据只有3, 也就是说没有拿到适合的牌和场合, 这种情况发生时几乎不可能填回700BB的坑,但我做到了。 comeback的基础就是尽最大可能实现弱牌的EV,换句话说就是诈唬任何一个possible的pot.   光诈唬一项大概在最后带来了200刀。





PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 635.69 BB (VPIP: 24.06, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.80, Hands: 650)
Hero (SB): 111.79 BB
BB: 125.09 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.87, Hands: 1,147)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.89, PFR: 17.06, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 1,396)
MP: 107.29 BB (VPIP: 23.98, PFR: 16.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.02, Hands: 203)
CO: 118.64 BB (VPIP: 19.42, PFR: 15.59, 3Bet Preflop: 8.75, Hands: 431)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  4 3

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.13 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.87 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players)  9 6 7
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players)  4
Hero checks, BTN bets 10.11 BB, Hero calls 10.11 BB

River: (39.22 BB, 2 players)  3
Hero checks, BTN bets 28 BB, Hero raises to 92.68 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 92.72 BB
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晒诈唬前先发一手打得满意的牌,和Good Reg的战争。

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 229.23 BB
SB: 632.99 BB (VPIP: 24.37, PFR: 19.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.53, Hands: 728)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.58, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.05, Hands: 1,023)
UTG: 106.2 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 36)
MP: 103.68 BB (VPIP: 20.86, PFR: 17.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.55, Hands: 1,461)
CO: 115.88 BB (VPIP: 25.35, PFR: 18.31, 3Bet Preflop: 7.29, Hands: 223)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  3 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 8 BB, fold, Hero raises to 21 BB, SB calls 13 BB

Flop: (43 BB, 2 players)  2 2 7
SB checks, Hero bets 20.43 BB, SB calls 20.43 BB

Turn: (83.86 BB, 2 players)  A
SB checks, Hero bets 43 BB, fold

Hero wins 81.36 BB


这手的V和上一手是同一个reg,   flop不适合3bet后的cbet,却完美的适用4bet后的CBET, Turn是一张完美的A,V只能缴械。


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120.73 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 109.58 BB (VPIP: 24.12, PFR: 19.94, 3Bet Preflop: 8.61, Hands: 631)
BB: 98 BB (VPIP: 25.62, PFR: 13.22, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 123)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 155.2 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: 305.11 BB (VPIP: 27.87, PFR: 22.47, 3Bet Preflop: 8.30, Hands: 587)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  7 8

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players)  6 A K
SB bets 6.58 BB, Hero calls 6.58 BB

Turn: (34.16 BB, 2 players)  Q
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (34.16 BB, 2 players)  K
SB checks, Hero bets 83.42 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 32.45 BB
还是同一个V,我合理地推测这个REG overplay JJ TT 非常多的时候。  用这手牌来做了一个验证。    就今天虽然他水上,我水下,在直接对话中,我完全碾压了他。


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104.08 BB (VPIP: 22.26, PFR: 17.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 321)
SB: 121.74 BB (VPIP: 25.25, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 103)
BB: 71.68 BB (VPIP: 19.18, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 77)
UTG: 119.24 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 27)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 325.91 BB (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  9 7

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 27 BB, CO calls 24.5 BB, fold

Flop: (65.5 BB, 2 players)  4 2 K
Hero bets 73 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 63 BB


这手没什么好说的,RANGE碾压一切。

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 237.46 BB (VPIP: 22.63, PFR: 14.60, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 143)
SB: 238.92 BB (VPIP: 25.80, PFR: 19.85, 3Bet Preflop: 7.24, Hands: 1,094)
BB: 165.81 BB (VPIP: 24.51, PFR: 22.55, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 108)
UTG: 88.3 BB (VPIP: 53.42, PFR: 35.62, 3Bet Preflop: 17.24, Hands: 75)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.44, PFR: 18.93, 3Bet Preflop: 11.48, Hands: 173)
Hero (CO): 181.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  A T

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 11.5 BB

Flop: (34.5 BB, 2 players)  4 J J
SB bets 16.5 BB, Hero raises to 33 BB, fold

Hero wins 65 BB
对付SQZ MANIAC,有时我会float到河牌,有时到转牌,有时flop就动手。



PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 184.11 BB
SB: 80.97 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 13.07, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 156)
BB: 128.68 BB (VPIP: 15.48, PFR: 10.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.24, Hands: 318)
UTG: 628.57 BB (VPIP: 23.93, PFR: 19.81, 3Bet Preflop: 8.87, Hands: 640)
MP: 125 BB (VPIP: 31.51, PFR: 21.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 228)
CO: 46.78 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 18.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 210)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  K T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players)  T 5 A
BB checks, Hero bets 2.61 BB, BB raises to 9.22 BB, Hero calls 6.61 BB

Turn: (23.94 BB, 2 players)  Q
BB bets 23 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

River: (69.94 BB, 2 players)  6
BB checks, Hero bets 149.39 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 67.44 BB

这手略微冒险了一点但既然等来了我想看到的牌,果断开枪。

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 126.6 BB (VPIP: 25.67, PFR: 19.98, 3Bet Preflop: 7.01, Hands: 1,000)
SB: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 40.00, Hands: 31)
BB: 64.24 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 196.54 BB (VPIP: 30.51, PFR: 20.76, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 245)
MP: 69.17 BB (VPIP: 22.97, PFR: 17.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 79)
Hero (CO): 201.82 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  J K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players)  J T Q
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 4.75 BB, SB calls 4.75 BB, fold

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players)  7
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (17 BB, 2 players)  A
SB bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

SB shows  Q 8  (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 55%, Turn 70%)
Hero shows  J K  (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 63%, Flop 45%, Turn 30%)
Hero wins 54.5 BB


插播一手抓诈唬,Hero不是那么好诈唬的, V显然很不可能有一张红桃K,snap call.


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 97 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
SB: 174.54 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 111.82 BB (VPIP: 22.12, PFR: 17.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.03, Hands: 332)
UTG: 149.32 BB (VPIP: 21.82, PFR: 15.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.44, Hands: 1,025)
Hero (MP): 120.87 BB
CO: 141.63 BB (VPIP: 31.75, PFR: 23.58, 3Bet Preflop: 9.54, Hands: 776)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  Q J

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players)  7 T T
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.07 BB, Hero raises to 18.14 BB, BTN calls 9.07 BB

Turn: (55.78 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero bets 93.73 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 53.28 BB
这手牌HERO有足够的equity,但多数时候都实现不了。 诈唬也不是那么坏的一个选择。


PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.7 BB (VPIP: 20.99, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 86)
SB: 114.65 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 166)
Hero (BB): 103.54 BB
UTG: 120.46 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
MP: 99.42 BB (VPIP: 13.10, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 1.43, Hands: 148)
CO: 288.04 BB (VPIP: 17.05, PFR: 13.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.77, Hands: 267)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  7 8

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players)  5 3 9
Hero checks, UTG bets 5.23 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.23 BB

Turn: (19.96 BB, 2 players)  8
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (19.96 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero checks, UTG bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 29 BB, fold

Hero wins 39.86 BB


这里我可能bluffing with better hand。

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PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 223.33 BB
SB: 137.19 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 184.29 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 30.30, 3Bet Preflop: 18.75, Hands: 34)
UTG: 131 BB (VPIP: 22.12, PFR: 20.35, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 117)
MP: 213.88 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 20.74, PFR: 16.92, 3Bet Preflop: 7.48, Hands: 1,482)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has  T 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players)  A K K
BB bets 8 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, fold

Hero wins 34.68 BB


这个flop极大的压缩了V RANGE中的强牌。尽管没有任何draw, 我认为any two去诈唬都可以。












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